Legislature(2007 - 2008)HOUSE FINANCE 519

03/27/2007 01:30 PM House FINANCE


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ HB 136 DENTAL HYGIENISTS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 136(FIN) Out of Committee
+ HB 137 SENIOR FISHING/HUNTING/TRAPPING LICENSES TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 168 LAND TRANSFERS ALASKA RR & DOTPF TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 19 LIMITED DRIVER'S LICENSES TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 19(FIN) Out of Committee
HOUSE BILL NO. 137                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An    Act   amending   the    requirements    for   the                                                                   
     identification  card needed for sport  fishing, hunting,                                                                   
     and trapping  without a license by residents  who are 60                                                                   
     years of age or more."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PAUL SEATON, sponsor,  explained that  HB 137                                                                   
amends  the  requirements for  the  permanent  identification                                                                   
card (PID) that would allow residents  who are 60 and over to                                                                   
fish and hunt.  The House Resources  Committee version of the                                                                   
bill adds  a provision  to "grandfather  in" the current  PID                                                                   
cards.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Seaton explained  that a problem arose because                                                                   
there was  no way to determine  if the card-holding  resident                                                                   
still lived  in Alaska.  The  bill provides that  the license                                                                   
would  need  to be  renewed  after  three years  after  being                                                                   
checked by the Permanent Fund  Dividend Division.  The $2,000                                                                   
fiscal note by the Department  of Fish and Game is to pay for                                                                   
the notices for license renewals.   There is also a provision                                                                   
for those who chose  not to get a permanent fund  to obtain a                                                                   
license.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:20:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Seaton  referred  to enclosures  in  members'                                                                   
packets, which  show that there have been  enforcement issues                                                                   
in the past.    He related  that more PID's have  been issued                                                                   
than there are qualifying Alaskans.   He emphasized that this                                                                   
license is for Alaskan seniors, not non-residents.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault  questioned  the  definition  of  PID  and                                                                   
wondered  what   they  look  like.    Representative   Seaton                                                                   
referred to  a copy of the PID  in the members' packets.   He                                                                   
explained  the   requirements  on  the  card.     He  related                                                                   
enforcement difficulties.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:26:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  thought  the bill  would  create  two                                                                   
classes of ID cards, the old ones  and the new 3-year renewal                                                                   
ones.    Representative   Seaton  noted  the   legal  opinion                                                                   
regarding  that.   Representative Hawker  suggested a  sunset                                                                   
for  the first  category  of  cards.   Representative  Seaton                                                                   
reported  that  there  is  no way  to  notify  those  people.                                                                   
Legislative  legal suggested  that there  are no  fundamental                                                                   
rights   lost,    and   therefore    the   change    is   not                                                                   
unconstitutional.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative     Hawker    read    the     definition    of                                                                   
"grandfathering" and agreed with that policy direction.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:30:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HERB SIMON,  NELCHINA, testified  as a disgruntled  vendor of                                                                   
Fish and Game Licenses  in favor of HB 137.   He spoke of the                                                                   
abuses  of the  license.   He  spoke  of the  differences  in                                                                   
rights of  residents vs. non-residents.   He suggested  a way                                                                   
to renew current PID holders by attaching a sticker.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:35:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker thanked Mr.  Simon for his  testimony.                                                                   
He  agreed  with  the  idea  to   renew  current  PID's,  but                                                                   
suggested  it would be  "annoying and  degrading" to  have to                                                                   
update the PID.  He asked for Mr. Simon's opinion.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Simon replied  that he does not know of  anyone who would                                                                   
object to the renewal requirement.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:38:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Thomas  asked  if   the  vendors   have  the                                                                   
authority to  not sell a license  if the driver's  license is                                                                   
out-of-state.   Mr. Simon replied  that the vendors  tired of                                                                   
dealing  with it  and  do not  have  the authority  to  deny.                                                                   
Representative  Thomas  suggested   giving  the  vendors  the                                                                   
authority to destroy a false ID.   Mr. Simon thought it would                                                                   
complicate a vendor's position and would not work.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:42:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
C.D.  MCCURRY,   KENNY  LAKE,  asked  about   the  185  days'                                                                   
requirement for proof of residency.   He wondered about fraud                                                                   
possibilities surrounding  the issue.  Representative  Seaton                                                                   
addressed PFD  fraud and maintained  it is a  separate issue.                                                                   
He  suggested  people   turn  in  reports  of   fraud.    The                                                                   
identification cards  will not be offered by  vendors, but by                                                                   
the Fish and Game local field office.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker suggested  adding a  sunset clause  to                                                                   
existing  PID's.   Representative Seaton  replied that  there                                                                   
was a  concern about  people having  to reapply  for a  once-                                                                   
termed  permanent card.    He spoke  of  the difficulties  of                                                                   
finding  current cardholders.    He said  he is  open to  the                                                                   
possibility.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:48:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Thomas  asked if a vendor could  destroy cards                                                                   
of people  who are abusing the  PID cards and driving  with a                                                                   
license  from  another  state.   Representative  Seaton  said                                                                   
there is nothing  illegal about not having a  current license                                                                   
plate, so it would  be hard to enforce.  There  are residency                                                                   
issues that complicate the matter.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:51:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HB  137  was   heard  and  HELD  in  Committee   for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                

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